ErP is Flawed
If we install a gas boiler the boiler will come with a label and with condensing boilers this label will give a rating of A, no change there, we have been forced to fit A rated boilers for over 10 years, not a problem as far as I am concerned, old style boilers were poor, so far so good, the problem for me is when we add controls, we now have to complete a Fiche and rate the SYSTEM, this is where the flaw is, we are now rating the energy efficiency of the heating system, although we may just be changing the boiler and adding new controls, how do we know that the radiators are correctly sized to cover the heat loss of the rooms, how do we know the insulation levels of the property, how do we know the quality of the windows, yet we will be rating the system and producing a label telling the customer the energy rating of their system, now the two images below are miles apart and I know is a bit OTT, but to prove a point, both properties with say a gas boiler and a Honeywell Evohome control system would be given a energy efficient rating under ErP of A+ now its obvious that the igloo will not be energy efficient, but ErP does not allow for heat emitters, or insulation levels to be taken into consideration, so both will be rated A+
I think you may be confusing Energy Related Products (ErP) and Energy Performance Certificate (EPC). The system could be rated at A+ but if the insulation and windows are poor, as you say, the overall EPC will still be low, at say a C for example. While this should be properly communicated to customers, so they don't misinterpret the system label as being indicative of the efficiency of the whole house, to make them part of the same thing would cross into completely new territory and mean even more work for installers.
No I am not confusing EPC with ErP, once controls are added we are rating the SYSTEM, not the appliance, this is where I see the problem, you cannot say that an installed system is efficient if insulation is poor as the heat loss will be great causing greater consumption of gas than a similar property would have if well insulated, this will cause confusion with the public, because as far as they are concerned, if you give them a label saying their system is rated A+ then they think that the system is a very efficient system, which may not be true.
So what do you see the certificate rating when you make a fiche and produce the label for the system, if its not for the system efficiency, as the efficiency of a system is not just reliant on a energy efficient appliance (Boiler) and some controls, a system can only be efficient once other factors are taken into account, Window, insulation etc
Totally agree here. You could have a system designed with 80/60 radiators and an infinitely better system with 50 /30 rads but with no added 'brownie points! !
Very good point, obviously the 50/30 system should get a higher energy efficiency rating than the 80/60 system, so yet another point that shows the failings of ErP